Comments on: Of Theological Wars and Such http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/ Random discussions about various topics, with an emphasis on simple church and other out-of-the-box thoughts. Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:17:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steve S http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Steve S Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:05:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-83 Ray wrote: <I>Nationalism is FAR too pervasive inside the church for my tastes anyway...</I> I couldn't have said it better, Ray. There is a disturbing trend to equate Christianity with American patriotism. I have said it on this blog before, and I will say it here again. I am a Christian first and foremost, and an American second. Furthermore, I am only an American to the extent it does not conflict with my Christianity. I have been resisting the urge to post on this topic, but if cwv warrior continues to post about it here, I may be forced to!! ;) steve :) Ray wrote: Nationalism is FAR too pervasive inside the church for my tastes anyway…

I couldn’t have said it better, Ray. There is a disturbing trend to equate Christianity with American patriotism. I have said it on this blog before, and I will say it here again. I am a Christian first and foremost, and an American second. Furthermore, I am only an American to the extent it does not conflict with my Christianity.

I have been resisting the urge to post on this topic, but if cwv warrior continues to post about it here, I may be forced to!! ;)

steve :)

]]> By: Ray http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Ray Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:31:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-82 I think PR 'assumes' to speak for God (watch him more often than just during the faux pas) THEREFORE, he has a RESPONSIBILITY to speak properly... You cannot compare an OT prophet speaking God's word on a nation to a US citizen making the statement that we should assassinate another national leader... This has nothing to do with Christians being nice, it has everything to do with someone speaking out of a personal desire without thinking through the implications of his remarks. You do realize that the statement put Christians inside the country in danger? If he is a politician, then drop the Christian side. You cannot claim to be a Christian leader, and then, when you say something nonsensical, claim that you were speaking as a politician. Nationalism is FAR too pervasive inside the church for my tastes anyway... I think PR ‘assumes’ to speak for God (watch him more often than just during the faux pas) THEREFORE, he has a RESPONSIBILITY to speak properly…

You cannot compare an OT prophet speaking God’s word on a nation to a US citizen making the statement that we should assassinate another national leader…

This has nothing to do with Christians being nice, it has everything to do with someone speaking out of a personal desire without thinking through the implications of his remarks.

You do realize that the statement put Christians inside the country in danger? If he is a politician, then drop the Christian side. You cannot claim to be a Christian leader, and then, when you say something nonsensical, claim that you were speaking as a politician.

Nationalism is FAR too pervasive inside the church for my tastes anyway…

]]> By: cwv warrior http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-81 cwv warrior Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:56:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-81 Um, why doesn't it compare to OT prophets? They weren't exactly "nice" either! Christianity isn't always NICE; Truth hurts. Ray, Robertson is a political person; so am I, of sorts. I separate individual accountability as Christians from political/nationalism. God directs nations differently from soul-searching believers. In other words, the "assassination comment" was from a political, national security standpoint. Do you think it was a suggestion for Christians to become assassins? God revealed Himself as protector of nations over and over; and He used military prowess. God doesn't change. OT and NT theology, different; same God. Um, why doesn’t it compare to OT prophets? They weren’t exactly “nice” either! Christianity isn’t always NICE; Truth hurts.
Ray,
Robertson is a political person; so am I, of sorts. I separate individual accountability as Christians from political/nationalism. God directs nations differently from soul-searching believers. In other words, the “assassination comment” was from a political, national security standpoint. Do you think it was a suggestion for Christians to become assassins? God revealed Himself as protector of nations over and over; and He used military prowess. God doesn’t change. OT and NT theology, different; same God.

]]> By: Steve S http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Steve S Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:26:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-80 cwv warrior - thanks for stopping by. I have to say that Ray pretty much stole my thunder on this one (I was away from the computer for a few hours, and Ray's already taken over my blog! ;) hehe...just kidding). <I>For those who may be reading these comments and wondering what in the world comments about Pat Robertson have to do with anything here, cwv warrior is referring to our comments on <a HREF="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/2006/01/pat_robertson_e.html" rel="nofollow">this post</A>.</I> Let's assume for the moment that Pat Robertson really did feel compassion for Ariel Sharon with regard to this. Why did he not address this with Sharon when he was meeting with him personally? To publicly make these comments shows, at best, poor judgment. This is not comparable to a prophet speaking to the nation of Israel in OT times. I'm not sure what this compares to, but it's very hard to justify it by any stretch of imagination! Just my thoughts. steve :) cwv warrior – thanks for stopping by. I have to say that Ray pretty much stole my thunder on this one (I was away from the computer for a few hours, and Ray’s already taken over my blog! ;) hehe…just kidding).

For those who may be reading these comments and wondering what in the world comments about Pat Robertson have to do with anything here, cwv warrior is referring to our comments on this post.

Let’s assume for the moment that Pat Robertson really did feel compassion for Ariel Sharon with regard to this. Why did he not address this with Sharon when he was meeting with him personally? To publicly make these comments shows, at best, poor judgment.

This is not comparable to a prophet speaking to the nation of Israel in OT times. I’m not sure what this compares to, but it’s very hard to justify it by any stretch of imagination!

Just my thoughts.
steve :)

]]> By: Ray http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Ray Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:16:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-79 cwv warrior - Had I seen more 'compassion' out of PR in previous statements that he has made I might tend to agree with you, but he is often caustic and shooting from the hip... A man who declares that we <I>(the USofA)</I> should assassinate anyone is enough to keep him from flapping about too soon after such a statement... He does not think through his statements, <I>(that is obvious, as he often goes back and attempts to 'smooth' over them, albeit awkwardly)</I>, and presumes to represent the Christian Body at large. I have no personal beef with PR, while I think he is misguided, mixing a strange brew of nationalism with his theology, and coming up with ummm, interesting perspectives, I will not attack him personally. cwv warrior – Had I seen more ‘compassion’ out of PR in previous statements that he has made I might tend to agree with you, but he is often caustic and shooting from the hip…

A man who declares that we (the USofA) should assassinate anyone is enough to keep him from flapping about too soon after such a statement…

He does not think through his statements, (that is obvious, as he often goes back and attempts to ‘smooth’ over them, albeit awkwardly), and presumes to represent the Christian Body at large.

I have no personal beef with PR, while I think he is misguided, mixing a strange brew of nationalism with his theology, and coming up with ummm, interesting perspectives, I will not attack him personally.

]]> By: cwv warrior http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-78 cwv warrior Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:50:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-78 Hi Steve, nice to meet you. I just discovered your response to my comment at Jollyblogger about the Robertson controversy. Old news now, sorry, I don't get out every day. But seeing your topic here allows me to argue? I believe Christians who speak up about God's "other side", Righteous Judge, can be speaking out of deep compassion. PR wasn't necessarily judging; maybe Ariel Sharon will be given a chance to reconcile with God IF THERE IS FRICTION, ie sin. Reconciliation is the ultimate goal for all of us. Is Sharon going against God by dividing the land? I dunno. Who does? That is between God and the PM. Robertson only opened the possibility for consideration based on Bible prophecy. Was it cruel or heartfelt concern for Sharon's salvation? I'm prayin. Hi Steve, nice to meet you. I just discovered your response to my comment at Jollyblogger about the Robertson controversy. Old news now, sorry, I don’t get out every day. But seeing your topic here allows me to argue? I believe Christians who speak up about God’s “other side”, Righteous Judge, can be speaking out of deep compassion. PR wasn’t necessarily judging; maybe Ariel Sharon will be given a chance to reconcile with God IF THERE IS FRICTION, ie sin. Reconciliation is the ultimate goal for all of us. Is Sharon going against God by dividing the land? I dunno. Who does? That is between God and the PM. Robertson only opened the possibility for consideration based on Bible prophecy. Was it cruel or heartfelt concern for Sharon’s salvation? I’m prayin.

]]> By: Ray http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Ray Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:03:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-77 Thanks! I look forward to your post... Thanks! I look forward to your post…

]]> By: Steve S http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Steve S Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:41:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-76 Ray, thanks for moving over here. I'll try to post on it here this afternoon and we can dialogue on a post specifically related to this topic. I appreciate you, Ray! You're a blessing here in cyberspace. steve :) Ray, thanks for moving over here. I’ll try to post on it here this afternoon and we can dialogue on a post specifically related to this topic.

I appreciate you, Ray! You’re a blessing here in cyberspace.

steve :)

]]> By: Ray http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Ray Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:38:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-75 Hey man, I moved over to your blog -- We can talk easier over here... Anyway, I think you have a point with your observation of Hebrews 1. Let me ponder on that a bit... :-) Hey man, I moved over to your blog — We can talk easier over here…

Anyway, I think you have a point with your observation of Hebrews 1. Let me ponder on that a bit…
:-)

]]> By: ded http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/comment-page-1/#comment-74 ded Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:09:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/05/of-theological-wars-and-such/#comment-74 You've heard me many times before, but I will post here as well. As brothers and sisters in Christ, we must come to recognize we are bound together in an economy of peace (Peace is our "lingua franca." We spend it everywhere and on everyone.), which is the Kingdom of God. Maintaining the "unity of the spirit and the bond of peace" is a heart attitude which goes beyond various interpretations of scripture. ded You’ve heard me many times before, but I will post here as well. As brothers and sisters in Christ, we must come to recognize we are bound together in an economy of peace (Peace is our “lingua franca.” We spend it everywhere and on everyone.), which is the Kingdom of God. Maintaining the “unity of the spirit and the bond of peace” is a heart attitude which goes beyond various interpretations of scripture.

ded

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