Comments on: Cessationism vs. Continuationism — an attempt to take it piece by piece http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/ Random discussions about various topics, with an emphasis on simple church and other out-of-the-box thoughts. Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:49:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ray http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Ray Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:03:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/#comment-86 Libbie and Steve -- I made it; last check there were 114 comments on poor Phil's blog... Whew, I am glad we can actually sit over here and discuss this without the rancor that is going on over there... This is definitely an emotional topic on both sides, but I think you have done an admirable job in stating your position Steve.. And funny enough, I come from a similar perspective as you... What I hope we can do at your blog is simply wrestle, as brothers and sisters in Christ, with the subject, and see if we cannot get some clarity. I don't mind being proven wrong, but I do mind simply being lambasted for the sheer joy of proving how smart someone is. I believe your comment about 1st Corinthians 14 being an immediate evaluation is very true, hence my thoughts regarding prophecy. It is not always a foretelling event, but (as some friends of mine state) forthtelling, i.e. as you said: telling the mind of God. Now, when I say that, I do not mean -- EXTRA-revelatory, I mean; God moving in a person to provide guidance in a SPECIFIC thing. Now, the problem that always arises is how do we judge this: I think that is clear -- via the Scriptural record. Also, while we are on this subject: What if there is no clear Scriptural stance... Let me give you an example: Benny Hinn states in 1990 that all homosexuals will die in a fire by 1995, or that Castro will die in the 90's. How do you judge that? Only by looking BACK, as there is not a Scriptural reference to turn to... These are false prophecies, but they could not have been judged on the spot -- what Scripture would you turn to? I think that is where my dis-ease comes in. Thoughts I wanted to throw out as we begin, what I hope will be, a fruitful discussion. Libbie and Steve — I made it; last check there were 114 comments on poor Phil’s blog… Whew, I am glad we can actually sit over here and discuss this without the rancor that is going on over there…

This is definitely an emotional topic on both sides, but I think you have done an admirable job in stating your position Steve.. And funny enough, I come from a similar perspective as you…

What I hope we can do at your blog is simply wrestle, as brothers and sisters in Christ, with the subject, and see if we cannot get some clarity. I don’t mind being proven wrong, but I do mind simply being lambasted for the sheer joy of proving how smart someone is.

I believe your comment about 1st Corinthians 14 being an immediate evaluation is very true, hence my thoughts regarding prophecy. It is not always a foretelling event, but (as some friends of mine state) forthtelling, i.e. as you said: telling the mind of God.

Now, when I say that, I do not mean — EXTRA-revelatory, I mean; God moving in a person to provide guidance in a SPECIFIC thing. Now, the problem that always arises is how do we judge this: I think that is clear — via the Scriptural record.

Also, while we are on this subject: What if there is no clear Scriptural stance… Let me give you an example:

Benny Hinn states in 1990 that all homosexuals will die in a fire by 1995, or that Castro will die in the 90’s. How do you judge that? Only by looking BACK, as there is not a Scriptural reference to turn to…

These are false prophecies, but they could not have been judged on the spot — what Scripture would you turn to? I think that is where my dis-ease comes in.

Thoughts I wanted to throw out as we begin, what I hope will be, a fruitful discussion.

]]> By: Steve S http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Steve S Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:15:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/#comment-85 Libbie, I sure appreciate you coming over here and commenting. I think there can be really good dialogue about it, and I think and hope that you're right about there being less "noise" here. For once, I'm glad to have so little traffic on my blog!! ;) hehe Would you rather I take a few steps back and go through my biblical reasoning for thinking the gifts still exist? Because I really want to do this from a biblical perspective coming forward, rather than looking back from what we see here in the 21st century. I should have added in my "disclosure" that I was a cessationist for almost 30 years of my life. It was interesting to me to read on Phil's blog a comment by someone who said they were charismatic, but then finally searched the Scriptures and became a cessationist. For me, it was the exact opposite!! Isn't that odd? At any rate, thanks again for reading and interacting. Feel free to make any and all points that you feel need to be made. I welcome the dialogue. steve :) Libbie, I sure appreciate you coming over here and commenting. I think there can be really good dialogue about it, and I think and hope that you’re right about there being less “noise” here. For once, I’m glad to have so little traffic on my blog!! ;) hehe

Would you rather I take a few steps back and go through my biblical reasoning for thinking the gifts still exist? Because I really want to do this from a biblical perspective coming forward, rather than looking back from what we see here in the 21st century.

I should have added in my “disclosure” that I was a cessationist for almost 30 years of my life. It was interesting to me to read on Phil’s blog a comment by someone who said they were charismatic, but then finally searched the Scriptures and became a cessationist. For me, it was the exact opposite!! Isn’t that odd?

At any rate, thanks again for reading and interacting. Feel free to make any and all points that you feel need to be made. I welcome the dialogue.

steve :)

]]> By: Libbie http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Libbie Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:31:00 +0000 http://theologicalmusingsblog.com/2006/01/12/cessationism-vs-continuationism-an-attempt-to-take-it-piece-by-piece/#comment-84 That's the final kicker for me, actually Steve, that 'sign gift' thing. I'm still working through a lot of it, and I do still believe the Lord intervenes in very practical ways, with healings and providence and so on. I just don't think these things are specific giftings for specific folks anymore. Perhaps you and I could dialogue about it here, without all the attendant noise of <EM>the other blog</EM> he he. Poor Phil. I should think he'll be relieved when he's said his piece and can move on to more productive topics. Still, I do appreciate his input massively. aaanyway.. That’s the final kicker for me, actually Steve, that ’sign gift’ thing. I’m still working through a lot of it, and I do still believe the Lord intervenes in very practical ways, with healings and providence and so on. I just don’t think these things are specific giftings for specific folks anymore.
Perhaps you and I could dialogue about it here, without all the attendant noise of the other blog he he. Poor Phil. I should think he’ll be relieved when he’s said his piece and can move on to more productive topics. Still, I do appreciate his input massively.

aaanyway..

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