Why Such a Short List?

In discussion following my recent post on sola scriptura, Earl pointed out that, for all of my complaints about the use of the Westminster Confession of Faith, I operate on a confession of sorts myself. He submitted as Exhibit A my very first post on this blog entitled “Getting Started“. In that initial post, I wrote the following:

These are the things I believe are absolutely essential for one to call themselves a Christian, and for me to recognize them as my brother or sister in the Lord:

  1. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh
  2. Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind, was buried, and literally rose from the dead to live forever.
  3. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father, and there is salvation in no other person, doctrine, or belief.
  4. Each individual’s eternal destiny will be determined by their relationship (or lack, thereof) to Jesus Christ.

Earl pointed out that this is, in itself, a confession and compared it to the WCF in the following way:

The difference with your confession versus the WCF is that it is shorter, it is informal (not put into a standard form), you wrote it – and of course you think your confession is Biblical where in your opinion the WCF isn’t Biblical.

Earl has a fairly decent point about this being my “confession”, but I think in some ways, the differences are more essential than seems implied by the above comment. Allow me to elaborate on each of the points that Earl has made. I’m going to take them out of order because I want to spend the bulk of my time on one in particular.

My list is informal. This is partly due to the nature of blogging, but also actually comes from my belief that each person should be able to informally articulate their beliefs without just pointing to a confession written by someone else. Consider the fact that Jesus commissioned us to make disciples, not clones! Which leads to the next point…

I wrote it. Some time ago, I wrote on my frustrating experience at being shot down in my ordination council for attempting to write my own statement of faith. I was “encouraged” to simply use the words that others have written in the past. This illustrates the common perception that Christians should not really think too much for themselves, but should simply lean on what has already been done and said. While I don’t eschew the past, or those who have gone before me, this mindset does damage to the priesthood of believers by actually encouraging a lack of thinking.

I think my confession is biblical. Well, I should hope so! :) But seriously, there seems to be a major point to be made here. Each of my statements are informal representations of things that are specifically stated either by Jesus (statements 3 and 4) or about Jesus (statements 1 and 2) in Scripture itself. These are not statements that are “deduced” from putting various unrelated verses together, redefining a few key words within those verses, and then creating a propositional statement and stating that as truth. And this is one area where I feel the difference between what I wrote related to myself and what the WCF authors wrote is quite large.

My list is shorter (than the WCF). As a matter of fact, my list is shorter than most statements of faith I have come across in my lifetime. And this is the point that I want to focus most specifically on. Why is my list so short? And what are the implications for that list being short?

Earl has drawn some conclusions about the involvement of each of us in the other’s fellowship. In Earl’s opinion, neither one of us would be suitable for leadership in the other’s church. He has acknowledged that I would not be permitted to be a leader in his Presbyterian church. In his own words, “It is true that if you wanted to become an elder in our church, at this stage of your stated beliefs, that wouldn’t happen.” (I would like to know the biblical basis for this conclusion, but I’ll leave that up to Earl to offer at his discretion. It is not necessary at this point.)

However, he then goes on to explain why he thinks he would also be unsuitable for leadership in a simple church here in Boone.

I think it is very unscriptural to not have local bodies so unaccountable to the larger body of Christ. I would strongly encourage your church to move in that direction. I would see that your church is missing out on the wonderful doctrines of grace (as I see how it is taught in the Bible), I would teach those. Just as you would be a square wheel in being a leader at my church, so I would be a triangle wheel at your church. I would cause division and strife. You and I would tear at the peace of our respective churches while trying to put into practice pure doctrine.

This is why I think a short list is so valuable. And this is why I think it is completely necessary to understand the implications of adding to that list. The Westminster Confession of Faith itself acknowledges that some matters of church government do not even come from Scripture. And yet, I believe this is part of what is included in the things Earl says he would “strongly encourage” the church here in Boone to move toward.

Earl also believes that we are “missing out” on something by not subscribing to Calvinism. (Lest anyone here not understand how I got this, you need to understand that “doctrines of grace” is used as a synonym for the five points of Calvinism.) And so, he would feel compelled to teach these. Earl believes that in doing so, he (by his own words) would cause division and strife.

This is a very important point to understand. And I’m grateful that Earl has made the point for me without me having to assume anything here. The major reason I believe that we need to keep our list short is because this is a good step towards preserving the unity of the Body of Christ. By adding to the list things that are legitimately up to interpretation (such as Calvinism, cessationism, eschatology), and by imposing systems on to our practice that are not based on Scripture alone, we end up causing division and strife in the Body.

Take a look at the numerous denominations and divisions in the Body of Christ over the centuries, and tell me that this is what Jesus pictured in John 17 when He prayed that we would be one with each other and with Him. Yet what is the source of most of the denominations that have come into existence? Divisions over non-essential things!

It’s not enough for people in one denomination to say, “We believe baptism should be done in this way.” Instead, they feel like they have to say, “We believe baptism should be done in this way, and any other way is not acceptable to us.” So we divide over sprinkling vs. immersion. Or infant baptism vs. believer baptism. But by not putting that on my list, even though I personally am of the opinion that believer baptism is what is best, I have no problem being in a fellowship with someone who believes in infant baptism. I wouldn’t even have a problem with that person being an elder in our fellowship. Unless they started teaching that infant baptism is the only correct interpretation.

And see, the words I highlighted in bold in the previous paragraph are very important. It is my opinion that a particular interpretation is correct, but I must, must, must be humble enough to recognize that it is still an opinion. I don’t mean this directly at Earl, but a very good and pertinent example is Calvinism vs. Non-Calvinism. The Calvinist must be able to recognize that their systematic theology is still based on interpretation and should be subject to re-evaluation and difference of opinion. I grow very weary (again, this is not directed specifically at Earl) of Calvinists referring to their theology as “biblical theology”, stating that elements of that theology are “clearly” taught in Scripture, even when it is pointed out that words are being redefined, verses are being taken out of context, etc.

But Calvinism isn’t the only system that does this. When I spent some time in a Oneness Pentecostal church, I witnessed quite a few verbal assaults on Trinitarian beliefs without any humility or caution. Likewise, I have gotten into discussions on blogs where (and this happens a lot), people will claim that Trinitarianism is absolutely essential for salvation and therefore for fellowship. Trinitarianism, while I believe it probably comes closest to how I interpret Scripture, is in and of itself an interpretation that should not be held so highly as to slander other interpretations as being “heretical”.

Regardless of whether one holds to “sola scriptura” as a literal statement of “Scripture alone, and only Scripture”, or whether they hold to “sola scriptura” in the sense of “Scripture is the only inspired communication from God, and therefore trumps everything else, but I still can use other documents for evidence”, let’s at least start with what Scripture actually says and draw our boundaries there! If you’ve got to derive some understanding from various passages being cut and pasted together in a very loose fashion, redefine some words, throw in some logical progressions, and then spit out a statement that you believe best represents God’s view on something, be willing to acknowledge the process that got you there, and recognize that some misunderstanding along the chain of progression might have skewed your final result.

Having said all that, you are most welcome in our fellowship, Earl. And if God put you in a place in our fellowship where you were recognized as an elder, I would not be drawing a line and saying that you couldn’t be an elder because of your beliefs in these areas. Expect those beliefs to be challenged, and expect to be asked to defend them biblically (not from the WCF), but also expect hearts to be open to what you had to say. I can only pretty much speak for myself, but in doing so, I would say that the only division and strife that would result would have to be by your own volition, and not from mine.

Until next time,

steve :)

10 Responses to “Why Such a Short List?


  • Earl Flask
    September 18th, 2006 13:00
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    Steve,

    Thanks for your continued work in this. Your short list would include Mormons as Christians. They would claim the believe each of those items in you short list. Do you consider Mormons, who follow their doctrine, to be orthodox Christians? The discussion will flow in part from your thoughts on this.

    Thanks,
    Earl

  • Alan Knox
    September 18th, 2006 13:16
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    Steve,
    Thank you for sharing your statement of faith with us. You are very brave! Also, thank you for forcing some people to update their blog links!

    Earl,
    As I understand their doctrine, Mormons would have a problem with the #1 item in Steve’s list. Mormons may agree that Jesus is “a god in the flesh” but I don’t think they would agree with the statement that “Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.” If I am wrong, I’m interested in learning more.

    I’m enjoying this very civil conversation.

    Alan

  • Earl Flask
    September 18th, 2006 14:35
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    Alan,

    I’ve spent several years talking with a few Mormans. They will use very Biblical language. Some will be forthright and tell you plainly what you’ve just said. However, there is enough ambiguity in the short list, that is you have a sharp lawyer type reading it, they could parse it and say they believe it. But let’s say all the Mormons are very forthright. There are lots of people with similar kinds of views who would have no trouble affirming the shot confession. Granted, there could be similar problems with more detailed confessions. But this gives you a flavor of what can happen with short confessions. This is why various historical creeds were developed, such as the Nicene Creed and the Definition of Chalcedon were developed, to address these kind of issues.

  • Earl Flask
    September 18th, 2006 14:38
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    Whew!, I’ve got to proof read my stuff. That’s what happens when I am multitaking with several things at once.

    Alan, I too enjoy the civil discussion. Thanks

  • Isabel
    September 18th, 2006 15:44
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    “Conceived by the Holy Spirit” seems to be missing….? It’s implied in #1, but only those who already know that having God as a Father would necessitate being conceived by the Holy Ghost might see that. Also, if you change….hmmm. I was going to say change “Son of God” to “only Son of God” but I see now “Son of God” is not there either. Putting in “only” would certainly knock the Mormons off the list. “Born of a virgin” should, too since what they believe about Mary’s conception would logically exclude that.

    I thoroughly agree with Earl’s “This is why various historical creeds were developed, such as the Nicene Creed…” part. Balance…

  • Steve Sensenig
    September 18th, 2006 20:18
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    All: I wasn’t able to respond for most of the day because of my work, but I’m here now, and will try to put together a cohesive response to the issues that have been raised. Thank you all for your civil discussion in my absence!

    steve :)

  • Raborn Johnson
    September 18th, 2006 20:20
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    Isabel,
    To say that Jesus is the only Son of God is to defy the clear teaching of Scripture. Jesus said in John 3:16 that He was the “only-begotten Son of God”, but this could only refer to His status prior to the work of redemption. After such, Jesus is referred to as the “first-begotten” several times throughout the New Testament. For example Romans 8:29 says:
    For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.NIV

    God’s desire is not for one Son only, but instead for children. Scripture refers to believers time and again as the “sons of God”. Many times, in seeking to honor Jesus as our Lord, we have proclaimed His status as being far-removed from our own, which ends up cheapening the work He accomplished on our behalf. (Read Hebrews 2:10-18) The whole Gospel message seems to me to be about Jesus becoming as we are, so that we might become as He is. Jesus gave His life for us so that He might become just that, our very lives! Jesus was incarnated among us, so that He could later be incarnated within us!

  • Steve Sensenig
    September 18th, 2006 20:24
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    And yet another can of worms gets opened….. ;) hehe

    Great comments, Raborn, and I’m sure this will be discussed more in length here!

    steve :)

  • Isabel
    September 18th, 2006 20:32
    9

    I should have also said I agreed with a great deal of the original post as well as the “creeds were developed” bit. :) Resting on the shoulders of great thinkers, though, ain’t such a bad idea. But one must also be able to discern for one’s self which are the great thinkers. . .

  • Steve Sensenig
    September 18th, 2006 22:08
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    Rather than write an extended response here, I have written a new post in response to these comments, especially Earl’s and Isabel’s.

    steve :)

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