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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Gentlemen, you give me hope!&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/</link>
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		<title>By: grace</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4611</link>
		<author>grace</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That's a great story Steve, very encouraging.  Thanks for sharing it.

It is interesting how God can sometimes use us when we are least aware of being used by him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great story Steve, very encouraging.  Thanks for sharing it.</p>
<p>It is interesting how God can sometimes use us when we are least aware of being used by him.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4612</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;grace&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks.  You are correct.  I think that was what I liked most about the experience.  I didn't even know we were being listened to.

Of course, the flip side of that is that it reminds me in a sobering way how I must make sure that I am always speaking in a God-honoring way because I never know who might overhear.

Glad to see you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>grace</strong>, thanks.  You are correct.  I think that was what I liked most about the experience.  I didn&#8217;t even know we were being listened to.</p>
<p>Of course, the flip side of that is that it reminds me in a sobering way how I must make sure that I am always speaking in a God-honoring way because I never know who might overhear.</p>
<p>Glad to see you here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Knox</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4615</link>
		<author>Alan Knox</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Steve,

First of all, I'll let the "Austin" reference slide this time.

Second, thank you for sharing this story. "You give me hope"... wow... How I would love to hear those words from the mouth of an unbeliever. What are we supposed to bring to the world but hope?

Third, I will have to disagree with you at one point. You said that the church crowd had already gone. I disagree completely. It sounds to me like the church was finally present.

-Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;ll let the &#8220;Austin&#8221; reference slide this time.</p>
<p>Second, thank you for sharing this story. &#8220;You give me hope&#8221;&#8230; wow&#8230; How I would love to hear those words from the mouth of an unbeliever. What are we supposed to bring to the world but hope?</p>
<p>Third, I will have to disagree with you at one point. You said that the church crowd had already gone. I disagree completely. It sounds to me like the church was finally present.</p>
<p>-Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4616</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4616</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Alan&lt;/strong&gt;, in a rare moment of forward-thinking on my part, I did put "the regular church crowd" in quotes. :)

On a side note, we have had fun in the past reminding ourselves that we are now "the target audience" of a lot of churches.  You know..."the unchurched"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Alan</strong>, in a rare moment of forward-thinking on my part, I did put &#8220;the regular church crowd&#8221; in quotes. <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On a side note, we have had fun in the past reminding ourselves that we are now &#8220;the target audience&#8221; of a lot of churches.  You know&#8230;&#8221;the unchurched&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Knox</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4620</link>
		<author>Alan Knox</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4620</guid>
					<description>Steve,

Yes, I saw that. So, I conveniently left out the word "regular" when I quoted you.

I'm wondering when a church will finally start a "ministry" to "the unchurched"...

-Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Yes, I saw that. So, I conveniently left out the word &#8220;regular&#8221; when I quoted you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering when a church will finally start a &#8220;ministry&#8221; to &#8220;the unchurched&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>-Alan</p>
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		<title>By: jadasgigi</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4622</link>
		<author>jadasgigi</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4622</guid>
					<description>We just never know who, when, where, or what, God will do next do we? :)  that's why I appreciate God getting out of my box..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just never know who, when, where, or what, God will do next do we? <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  that&#8217;s why I appreciate God getting out of my box..</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Who</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4624</link>
		<author>Larry Who</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4624</guid>
					<description>Thanks Steve,

You give me hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve,</p>
<p>You give me hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4626</link>
		<author>Heather</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4626</guid>
					<description>Steve -

Great post.  Brandon has an awesome testimony about this same sort of thing - perhaps he'll share it later (*hint*hint* Brandon!).

Hearing you guys talk gave this man hope because you were being salt and light ... getting outside of the 4 walls and into the world.  You made that man thirsty and drew him to Jesus just by being who you are.  And I thank you for your testimony!

Blessings!

~Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve -</p>
<p>Great post.  Brandon has an awesome testimony about this same sort of thing - perhaps he&#8217;ll share it later (*hint*hint* Brandon!).</p>
<p>Hearing you guys talk gave this man hope because you were being salt and light &#8230; getting outside of the 4 walls and into the world.  You made that man thirsty and drew him to Jesus just by being who you are.  And I thank you for your testimony!</p>
<p>Blessings!</p>
<p>~Heather</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4633</link>
		<author>Mike Ross</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Steve,

Your post made me happy because it wasn't about a debatable topic.  I know that your site is a place to hash out various theologies and many times I want to chime in, but anymore, I feel checked not to do so.  I feel like I have no right to voice my opinions about God if I am not acting them out daily.

I wonder what you said that made him take hope?  Was it your discussion in a Hardee's booth or was it your actions back in Austin?  If that same person heard you talking about 'church stuff' (i.e. the service, worship music, the sermon), would his reation have been the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Your post made me happy because it wasn&#8217;t about a debatable topic.  I know that your site is a place to hash out various theologies and many times I want to chime in, but anymore, I feel checked not to do so.  I feel like I have no right to voice my opinions about God if I am not acting them out daily.</p>
<p>I wonder what you said that made him take hope?  Was it your discussion in a Hardee&#8217;s booth or was it your actions back in Austin?  If that same person heard you talking about &#8216;church stuff&#8217; (i.e. the service, worship music, the sermon), would his reation have been the same?</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4643</link>
		<author>marty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Steve,
Wow.  I know for me I have felt a lot of those same thoughts.  I've also shared some of the same thoughts about the accountability,  but I think you're correct, once we're obedient, it does truly lie between the recipient and the Lord.  I've also though gift cretificates might be a good idea...
-marty

PS:  I like/appreciate your heart and openness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Wow.  I know for me I have felt a lot of those same thoughts.  I&#8217;ve also shared some of the same thoughts about the accountability,  but I think you&#8217;re correct, once we&#8217;re obedient, it does truly lie between the recipient and the Lord.  I&#8217;ve also though gift cretificates might be a good idea&#8230;<br />
-marty</p>
<p>PS:  I like/appreciate your heart and openness.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4650</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4650</guid>
					<description>Thanks for the comments, everyone.

&lt;strong&gt;Mike&lt;/strong&gt;, I'm sorry the controversial stuff keeps you from commenting.  You're welcome here anytime.

I assume your questions at the end of your comment are rhetorical.  I don't know specifically what it was, but I am glad that he felt hope.

&lt;strong&gt;Larry&lt;/strong&gt;, thank you, sir. :)

&lt;strong&gt;Heather&lt;/strong&gt;, I hope Brandon does share his story here or on his own blog.  I would like to hear it.

&lt;strong&gt;marty&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for your comments, too.  Gift certificates can be a great idea, too.  Thanks for sharing that thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone.</p>
<p><strong>Mike</strong>, I&#8217;m sorry the controversial stuff keeps you from commenting.  You&#8217;re welcome here anytime.</p>
<p>I assume your questions at the end of your comment are rhetorical.  I don&#8217;t know specifically what it was, but I am glad that he felt hope.</p>
<p><strong>Larry</strong>, thank you, sir. <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Heather</strong>, I hope Brandon does share his story here or on his own blog.  I would like to hear it.</p>
<p><strong>marty</strong>, thanks for your comments, too.  Gift certificates can be a great idea, too.  Thanks for sharing that thought.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4663</link>
		<author>George</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4663</guid>
					<description>I've heard the objection as well:  "They'll just spend it on booze."  

Maybe I should keep it all so I could spend it on myself -- lots of dinners out, a faster/newer car, mortgage payments on my (big) house, newer clothes, golf, tix to the Suns, HDTV, artwork, cigars, and some really good scotch.  Then I could use this for fellowshipping with my family and friends from church, so that would be good, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the objection as well:  &#8220;They&#8217;ll just spend it on booze.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Maybe I should keep it all so I could spend it on myself &#8212; lots of dinners out, a faster/newer car, mortgage payments on my (big) house, newer clothes, golf, tix to the Suns, HDTV, artwork, cigars, and some really good scotch.  Then I could use this for fellowshipping with my family and friends from church, so that would be good, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4681</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;George&lt;/strong&gt;, so well put!

I will clarify and say that I was not intending with this post to tell everyone how they should handle giving to the poor and needy.  I merely wanted to share my experience and help others think through from other perspectives.

The issue isn't "Do as I do", but rather, "Ask God what you should do."

Having said that, I seriously doubt that God will ever direct one to do all the things you wrote tongue-in-cheek and so cleverly in that paragraph! :)  Or at least not on a regular basis.

Thanks for contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>George</strong>, so well put!</p>
<p>I will clarify and say that I was not intending with this post to tell everyone how they should handle giving to the poor and needy.  I merely wanted to share my experience and help others think through from other perspectives.</p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t &#8220;Do as I do&#8221;, but rather, &#8220;Ask God what you should do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having said that, I seriously doubt that God will ever direct one to do all the things you wrote tongue-in-cheek and so cleverly in that paragraph! <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Or at least not on a regular basis.</p>
<p>Thanks for contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4701</link>
		<author>George</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Perhaps what I wrote was not so well put after all. Didn't mean to suggest you were dictating to others.  Just felt convicted (again) thru the wisdom you expressed. 

At least half of the personal expenditures I mentioned are things I do, or contemplate doing.  I may attempt to justify them, but I too seriously doubt that God has directed me to do these things.

But maybe my calling is to serve as a bad example, so others can look at what I do and say:  &lt;i&gt;Don't&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; do as he does!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps what I wrote was not so well put after all. Didn&#8217;t mean to suggest you were dictating to others.  Just felt convicted (again) thru the wisdom you expressed. </p>
<p>At least half of the personal expenditures I mentioned are things I do, or contemplate doing.  I may attempt to justify them, but I too seriously doubt that God has directed me to do these things.</p>
<p>But maybe my calling is to serve as a bad example, so others can look at what I do and say:  <i>Don&#8217;t</i><i> do as he does!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4703</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;George&lt;/strong&gt;, my clarification was not meant to be aimed at your comment.  It just got me thinking about the need to clarify that particular point.  Your comment &lt;strong&gt;was&lt;/strong&gt; quite well-written.

The idea of having a calling to be a bad example made me chuckle.  I like your style of humor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>George</strong>, my clarification was not meant to be aimed at your comment.  It just got me thinking about the need to clarify that particular point.  Your comment <strong>was</strong> quite well-written.</p>
<p>The idea of having a calling to be a bad example made me chuckle.  I like your style of humor!</p>
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		<title>By: RCM- Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4818</link>
		<author>RCM- Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well done, Steve.  Makes me proud.  I've spent so many years "doing church" (much legitimate, some not so).  Now, I'm learning how to be real, treat the people God crosses my path with kindness and dignity and love, not churchianity.  Your experience in Hardees is one of a thousand new adventures the Lord is opening up to you, to us all, if we will.  Beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Steve.  Makes me proud.  I&#8217;ve spent so many years &#8220;doing church&#8221; (much legitimate, some not so).  Now, I&#8217;m learning how to be real, treat the people God crosses my path with kindness and dignity and love, not churchianity.  Your experience in Hardees is one of a thousand new adventures the Lord is opening up to you, to us all, if we will.  Beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/03/27/gentlemen-you-give-me-hope/#comment-4825</link>
		<author>Steve Sensenig</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;RCM-Steve&lt;/strong&gt;, thank you.  I appreciate the kind remarks.

"Churchianity" can be a dangerous substitute for the real thing.  In so many ways, I think it falls into the category of "having a form of godliness, but denying its power".

And that can happen in &lt;strong&gt;any&lt;/strong&gt; "model" of church, lest some of my readers think that's a backhanded swipe at the institutional church.

Thanks again for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>RCM-Steve</strong>, thank you.  I appreciate the kind remarks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Churchianity&#8221; can be a dangerous substitute for the real thing.  In so many ways, I think it falls into the category of &#8220;having a form of godliness, but denying its power&#8221;.</p>
<p>And that can happen in <strong>any</strong> &#8220;model&#8221; of church, lest some of my readers think that&#8217;s a backhanded swipe at the institutional church.</p>
<p>Thanks again for commenting.</p>
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