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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/04/05/exegesis-vs-eisegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-5005</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sensenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Marty&lt;/strong&gt;, you definitely have my prayers, bro.  If there&#039;s anything specific I can be praying for, feel free to email me (there&#039;s a link to email me up there in the sidebar under &quot;My Other Sites&quot;).  But God knows the needs, and I will trust the Spirit to pray through me.

With regard to &quot;the flurry of responses&quot;....ahhh, yes.  Frequent comment &quot;ded&quot; has made the same comment to me when I try to entice him to blog!  It took me about 18 months to get to this kind of traffic, however, so you get to kind of ramp up to it in most cases.  But yeah, it&#039;s a bit of a time commitment on occasion.

You can opt to write only on safe topics, however ;)  Or, you can just not respond to comments.  I know some bloggers who do that (just don&#039;t respond), but it takes the fun out of the conversation, I think!

Be blessed, my friend.  And may the peace of our risen Lord fill your heart and mind through these &quot;family issues&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Marty</strong>, you definitely have my prayers, bro.  If there&#8217;s anything specific I can be praying for, feel free to email me (there&#8217;s a link to email me up there in the sidebar under &#8220;My Other Sites&#8221;).  But God knows the needs, and I will trust the Spirit to pray through me.</p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;the flurry of responses&#8221;&#8230;.ahhh, yes.  Frequent comment &#8220;ded&#8221; has made the same comment to me when I try to entice him to blog!  It took me about 18 months to get to this kind of traffic, however, so you get to kind of ramp up to it in most cases.  But yeah, it&#8217;s a bit of a time commitment on occasion.</p>
<p>You can opt to write only on safe topics, however <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Or, you can just not respond to comments.  I know some bloggers who do that (just don&#8217;t respond), but it takes the fun out of the conversation, I think!</p>
<p>Be blessed, my friend.  And may the peace of our risen Lord fill your heart and mind through these &#8220;family issues&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
Thanks for your comments.  It does indeed appear this topic has a great deal of unanimity to it!  Just like all the other topics (yeah, right!).  As for your question on blogging, well, no, I don&#039;t.  The thought is going through my mind though.  I&#039;m finding that with responses to questions on certain topics, and with the flurry of responses that I see you dealing with I&#039;m not sure I could keep up.  I will say, since starting to be more regular here I am thoroughly enjoying it so who knows...

Also, dealing with a few family issues right now, would appreciate prayer.

May the Lord bless you (all).  In Him,
-marty

PS:  He is risen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Thanks for your comments.  It does indeed appear this topic has a great deal of unanimity to it!  Just like all the other topics (yeah, right!).  As for your question on blogging, well, no, I don&#8217;t.  The thought is going through my mind though.  I&#8217;m finding that with responses to questions on certain topics, and with the flurry of responses that I see you dealing with I&#8217;m not sure I could keep up.  I will say, since starting to be more regular here I am thoroughly enjoying it so who knows&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, dealing with a few family issues right now, would appreciate prayer.</p>
<p>May the Lord bless you (all).  In Him,<br />
-marty</p>
<p>PS:  He is risen!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
		<link>http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/2007/04/05/exegesis-vs-eisegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-5002</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sensenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;phil h&lt;/strong&gt;, you wrote: &lt;em&gt;But even with the most careful effort to exegete, I believe we still need to maintain a distinction in our own minds between the words of Scripture and the interpretation we make of it.&lt;/em&gt;

Well said!  Excellent comment.

It sounds like we&#039;re all pretty much in agreement on this topic.  Thank you all for your contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>phil h</strong>, you wrote: <em>But even with the most careful effort to exegete, I believe we still need to maintain a distinction in our own minds between the words of Scripture and the interpretation we make of it.</em></p>
<p>Well said!  Excellent comment.</p>
<p>It sounds like we&#8217;re all pretty much in agreement on this topic.  Thank you all for your contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: phil hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good topic, and good discussion.  But even with the most careful effort to exegete, I believe we still need to maintain a distinction in our own minds between the words of Scripture and the interpretation we make of it.  The Scripture &quot;cannot be broken.&quot;  Our interpretations are not divinely inspired and are not final.  (I believe God is the final interpreter of His own Word.)  Human interpretations change over the centuries--Mohammed, Ginghis Khan, the Pope, Hitler, Stalin have all been nominated for the Antichrist--don&#039;t know if anyone&#039;s suggested Ahmedinejad yet.  Sometimes they change even faster.  Even the punctuation in our English Bibles is someone&#039;s interpretation, since the oldest manuscripts didn&#039;t have it.  Leaving out the comma in &quot;for equipping the saints, for the work of the ministry&quot; makes a huge difference!

Another line of approach I sometimes use, when it can be applied, is to go back to the sayings of Jesus recorded in the Gospels.  He gave His own interpretations of some of the commandments in His teaching.  And I think any interpretation of passages on leadership and authority in the church would have to fit with what He said about leadership in the Kingdom.  He didn&#039;t talk about everything--or the Gospels didn&#039;t record it if He did--but it can help at times.

Anyway, humility demands that we keep track of the distinction mentioned above, and remember, when we get into arguments over interpretations among ouselves--if God turns out noot to agree with either of us, we&#039;re both in trouble.

Phil Hawkins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic, and good discussion.  But even with the most careful effort to exegete, I believe we still need to maintain a distinction in our own minds between the words of Scripture and the interpretation we make of it.  The Scripture &#8220;cannot be broken.&#8221;  Our interpretations are not divinely inspired and are not final.  (I believe God is the final interpreter of His own Word.)  Human interpretations change over the centuries&#8211;Mohammed, Ginghis Khan, the Pope, Hitler, Stalin have all been nominated for the Antichrist&#8211;don&#8217;t know if anyone&#8217;s suggested Ahmedinejad yet.  Sometimes they change even faster.  Even the punctuation in our English Bibles is someone&#8217;s interpretation, since the oldest manuscripts didn&#8217;t have it.  Leaving out the comma in &#8220;for equipping the saints, for the work of the ministry&#8221; makes a huge difference!</p>
<p>Another line of approach I sometimes use, when it can be applied, is to go back to the sayings of Jesus recorded in the Gospels.  He gave His own interpretations of some of the commandments in His teaching.  And I think any interpretation of passages on leadership and authority in the church would have to fit with what He said about leadership in the Kingdom.  He didn&#8217;t talk about everything&#8211;or the Gospels didn&#8217;t record it if He did&#8211;but it can help at times.</p>
<p>Anyway, humility demands that we keep track of the distinction mentioned above, and remember, when we get into arguments over interpretations among ouselves&#8211;if God turns out noot to agree with either of us, we&#8217;re both in trouble.</p>
<p>Phil Hawkins</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sensenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sensenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ded&lt;/strong&gt;, welcome back, my brother!

Your comment is very well-put.  &quot;...we want predictable control over our security&quot; effectively removes the relationship with our Father, no?  How many are trusting in their own ability to stand rather than the One &quot;who is able to keep [us] from falling&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ded</strong>, welcome back, my brother!</p>
<p>Your comment is very well-put.  &#8220;&#8230;we want predictable control over our security&#8221; effectively removes the relationship with our Father, no?  How many are trusting in their own ability to stand rather than the One &#8220;who is able to keep [us] from falling&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: ded</title>
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		<dc:creator>ded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I join late in the conversation.  Just returned from three days on the coast with 59 fifth graders.  Great fun, ya&#039;ll should try it for a little invigoration!

Just two comments on this conversation:

Craig, RE your &lt;i&gt;Hamlet&lt;/i&gt;/math analogy:  I believe we get drawn into inappropriate conclusions for precisely your insight &lt;i&gt;&quot;...because we want our theology to have the same kind of certainty that we admire in mathematics...&lt;/i&gt;; we want predictable control over our security. It is the antithesis of faith and is born out of fear we will be deceived. This logically equates with we are swayed by our awareness of our own darkness; thus uncertain of the faithfulness of God to hold us. This draws into focus our not understanding life in the Spirit of God. We reduce the Christian faith to a war between good and evil and introduce the question of &quot;How can I be sure I am winning?&quot; The gospel of faith is the way of life in the Father separate from the rebellion against Him, and He has already won all that needs to be won!

Steve, the afore-thought illuminates the crying need of the humility you describe.  A community of believers in which humilty drives the mutual listening for the &quot;steering&quot; of the ship from God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I join late in the conversation.  Just returned from three days on the coast with 59 fifth graders.  Great fun, ya&#8217;ll should try it for a little invigoration!</p>
<p>Just two comments on this conversation:</p>
<p>Craig, RE your <i>Hamlet</i>/math analogy:  I believe we get drawn into inappropriate conclusions for precisely your insight <i>&#8220;&#8230;because we want our theology to have the same kind of certainty that we admire in mathematics&#8230;</i>; we want predictable control over our security. It is the antithesis of faith and is born out of fear we will be deceived. This logically equates with we are swayed by our awareness of our own darkness; thus uncertain of the faithfulness of God to hold us. This draws into focus our not understanding life in the Spirit of God. We reduce the Christian faith to a war between good and evil and introduce the question of &#8220;How can I be sure I am winning?&#8221; The gospel of faith is the way of life in the Father separate from the rebellion against Him, and He has already won all that needs to be won!</p>
<p>Steve, the afore-thought illuminates the crying need of the humility you describe.  A community of believers in which humilty drives the mutual listening for the &#8220;steering&#8221; of the ship from God.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod, 

yes -- what you said &quot;&lt;i&gt;I think maybe what you mean is that you are reading the Gospels as if you donâ€™t already know what they say and what they mean. This is a commendable exerciseâ€“and very difficult.&lt;/i&gt; is what I &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have said ... thanks for showing me that :)

And yes, it is difficult!

Blessings!

~Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod, </p>
<p>yes &#8212; what you said &#8220;<i>I think maybe what you mean is that you are reading the Gospels as if you donâ€™t already know what they say and what they mean. This is a commendable exerciseâ€“and very difficult.</i> is what I <i>should</i> have said &#8230; thanks for showing me that <img src='http://www.theologicalmusingsblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yes, it is difficult!</p>
<p>Blessings!</p>
<p>~Heather</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather,

You said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am currently in the process of reading through the gospels and trying as best I can to not read them with any preconceived notions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That really isn&#039;t possible, you know. It&#039;s impossible to process anything without a framework of assumptions. You can try to read the Gospels with different assumptions. You can try to read them without certain very specific assumptions. But you can&#039;t read them without any assumptions at all.

I think maybe what you mean is that you are reading the Gospels as if you don&#039;t already know what they say and what they mean. This is a commendable exercise--and very difficult.

Most of us read the Bible simply to reinforce what we already think and believe.

God Bless,

Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather,</p>
<p>You said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am currently in the process of reading through the gospels and trying as best I can to not read them with any preconceived notions.</p></blockquote>
<p>That really isn&#8217;t possible, you know. It&#8217;s impossible to process anything without a framework of assumptions. You can try to read the Gospels with different assumptions. You can try to read them without certain very specific assumptions. But you can&#8217;t read them without any assumptions at all.</p>
<p>I think maybe what you mean is that you are reading the Gospels as if you don&#8217;t already know what they say and what they mean. This is a commendable exercise&#8211;and very difficult.</p>
<p>Most of us read the Bible simply to reinforce what we already think and believe.</p>
<p>God Bless,</p>
<p>Rod</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Cloud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Cloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I dunno. It makes sense to me! &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure it does, my friend. hehehe

Y&#039;all have a blessed Resurrection Sunday. Tell your family hello for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I dunno. It makes sense to me! </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it does, my friend. hehehe</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all have a blessed Resurrection Sunday. Tell your family hello for me.</p>
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